From Bowerbird at aol.com Wed Oct 1 03:45:35 2008 From: Bowerbird at aol.com (Bowerbird at aol.com) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 06:45:35 EDT Subject: [gutvol-d] "jean of the lazy a" -- 005 Message-ID: we're resolving the p.g./archive.org differences in "jean of the lazy a". > http://www.gutenberg.org/files/538/538.txt > http://www.archive.org/details/jeanoflazy00boweiala *** ok, i've made the first pass at the comparison, and found more errors. indeed, it looks like the _reposted_ version of this p.g. e-text has about 15-40 errors remaining in it, depending on how we choose to count 'em. further analysis might reveal more, but let's look at where we stand now... *** first, 11 outright type-related errors: pg!> CHAPTER IV. ocr> CHAPTER IV oca> http://z-m-l.com/go/jeana/jeanap042.html pg!> door where a man had died; you might notice the brown ocr> floor where a man had died; you might notice the brown oca> http://z-m-l.com/go/jeana/jeanap043.html pg!> effective, good, bad, or merely so--so. Robert Grant ocr> effective, good, bad, or merely so-so. Robert Grant oca> http://z-m-l.com/go/jeana/jeanap062.html pg!> black shade. Beyond was the fat shelf of ledge that ocr> black shade. Beyond was the flat shelf of ledge that oca> http://z-m-l.com/go/jeana/jeanap118.html pg!> spitefully, "as climbing to the top of the Berry Build- ocr> spitefully, "as climbing to the top of the Ferry Build- oca> http://z-m-l.com/go/jeana/jeanap129.html pg!> PUNCH VERSES PRESTIGE ocr> PUNCH VERSUS PRESTIGE oca> http://z-m-l.com/go/jeana/jeanap177.html pg!> "You're going to tell me I'm in bad. But I can't ocr> "You're going to tell me I'm 'in bad'. But I can't oca> http://z-m-l.com/go/jeana/jeanap221.html pg!> have been. Her dad could remember when Sid Cum- ocr> have been. Her dad could remember when Kid Cum- oca> http://z-m-l.com/go/jeana/jeanap224.html pg!> Bite looked at her, looked away and bit his lips. It ocr> Lite looked at her, looked away and bit his lips. It oca> http://z-m-l.com/go/jeana/jeanap232.html pg!> riddle of Jean's unshakable composure. Was it pose ocr> riddle of Jean's unshakable composure. Was it pose? oca> http://z-m-l.com/go/jeana/jeanap247.html pg!> L Avery, ocr> L. Avery, oca> http://z-m-l.com/go/jeana/jeanap317.html in addition to one case of the dreaded "door/floor" stealth scanno, the p.g. e-text contained a humorous reference to "sid cummings", that jewish outlaw of the west. (ok, shoulda been "kid" cummings") :+) *** add in 5 paragraphing errors, detailed in an earlier post... *** the reposter failed to include the frontispiece... *** and the reposter failed to fix the italicized words (25 cases)... > "How'n hell do _I_ know?" Lite retorted irritably. > _Only_ SNEAKS _go_where_they_are_not_wanted._ > up the gulley--get it _all,_ Pete--turn as long as you > away--I guess it's the old trouble nagging at me. I _know_ > see if you can't get that hurt, bitter look _gradually,_ > ahead so I could rehearse the business? _Latigo!_ It > forsaken country for? What is there _to_ it, more than > "_I_ don't have to practice. It's the sorrel I want to > crack under his weight. "Yes, _bust_ him, if you want > ture was a _riot!_ Gloomy says he never saw a picture get > this scene, remember. You want to get it across _big!_ > about here, where her tracks are. Get _into_ her tracks! > "All ready? _Start_ your _action!"_ he barked. > say 'Great Heaven! _Gone!'"_ Jean, stirred to com- > you give them something _real?_ Things that are thrill- > ert Grant Burns going to _fire_ her? She looked at Gil, > to put in the ranch,--the _real_ Lazy A, Lite. Not these > _real_ stuff, Lite! You and I are going to run the ranch > in fancy letters two feet high: _"Jean,_Of_The_Lazy_A."_ > dignified black type: _"Jean_Of_The_Lazy_A."_ Be- > glance, and wondered what under heaven the girl _was_ > that." He made a move to rise. "Ex-cuse _me,_ if I've > what's back of that first _because,"_ he sparred. > see how you can _sit_ there and--and look at me that > "Who? _Your_Father?"_ Had Art been ready to > _could_ be in it, if it were written at least a day before > simply go _wild_ when he gets that wire!" She recalled *** i've uploaded my second-pass at this book to my website. this version is much better, but there are still errors in it: > http://z-m-l.com/go/jeana/jeanap123.html *** the point of this exercise is not to poke fun at the reposted e-text by revealing its ongoing errors -- because we've already done that, and p.g. doesn't seem to care anyway -- but rather to illustrate a process where _both_ the o.c.r. from archive.org _and_ the p.g. e-text can be brought to greater accuracy via a skilled comparison of those e-texts. -bowerbird ************** Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? 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URL: From Bowerbird at aol.com Mon Oct 6 08:04:33 2008 From: Bowerbird at aol.com (Bowerbird at aol.com) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:04:33 EDT Subject: [gutvol-d] "jean of the lazy a" -- 006 Message-ID: we're resolving the p.g./archive.org differences in "jean of the lazy a". > http://www.gutenberg.org/files/538/538.txt > http://www.archive.org/details/jeanoflazy00boweiala *** ok, i've made my last pass at this book -- and found two more text errors: > some old lady in the house gabbling and gossiping. I'm not the least > some old lady in the house gabbing and gossiping. I'm not the least > http://z-m-l.com/go/jeana/jeanap206.html > "What you going to call it a The Perils of the Prairie, say?" Burns > "What you going to call it? The Perils of the Prairie, say?" Burns > http://z-m-l.com/go/jeana/jeanap226.html plus a half-dozen more cases where italics were _missed_ in the original. (for these instances, the words weren't even converted to all-uppercase.) this takes us up into the range of 20-50 errors remaining in this e-text, even after the "cleaning" that it received before it was recently "reposted". it makes me chuckle that al haines made a post here that he would've "kicked back" the e-text i submitted because he'd found 5 errors in it. i found _50_ errors in this e-text you just cleaned, al. think about it... *** my new version is greatly improved over my previous versions: > http://z-m-l.com/go/jeana/jeanap123.html > http://z-m-l.com/go/jeana/jeana.zml this version might still have some errors -- even a whole lot of 'em -- involving missing single-quotes. the o.c.r. from archive.org missed some, i know, and might have missed lots more. (i don't know if this was because the o.c.r. never saw them, or if a glitch in their workflow _lost_ them, but either way, the end-result ends up being the same.) i worked hard enough restoring the end-line-hyphens they had lost, so i decided i wouldn't even bother to check the single-quote-marks, since i can't think of a way to write a routine to automate that check... but other than that, this text is _perfect_, as far as i am concerned... so jose, have at it... you can blame me for any errors that you locate. *** next, to finish up, some philosophical ramblings on the various and sundry attitudes on errors that once left a bloody battlefield here... -bowerbird ************** New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ajhaines at shaw.ca Mon Oct 6 09:33:48 2008 From: ajhaines at shaw.ca (Al Haines (shaw)) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 09:33:48 -0700 Subject: [gutvol-d] "jean of the lazy a" -- 006 References: Message-ID: <000f01c927d1$55b12290$6401a8c0@ahainesp2400> It should be noted that all the errors you found were made by the original submitter, and that you found them only by expending more time, energy, and resources than my priorities allow. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bowerbird at aol.com To: gutvol-d at lists.pglaf.org ; Bowerbird at aol.com Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 8:04 AM Subject: [gutvol-d] "jean of the lazy a" -- 006 we're resolving the p.g./archive.org differences in "jean of the lazy a". > http://www.gutenberg.org/files/538/538.txt > http://www.archive.org/details/jeanoflazy00boweiala *** ok, i've made my last pass at this book -- and found two more text errors: > some old lady in the house gabbling and gossiping. I'm not the least > some old lady in the house gabbing and gossiping. I'm not the least > http://z-m-l.com/go/jeana/jeanap206.html > "What you going to call it a The Perils of the Prairie, say?" Burns > "What you going to call it? The Perils of the Prairie, say?" Burns > http://z-m-l.com/go/jeana/jeanap226.html plus a half-dozen more cases where italics were _missed_ in the original. (for these instances, the words weren't even converted to all-uppercase.) this takes us up into the range of 20-50 errors remaining in this e-text, even after the "cleaning" that it received before it was recently "reposted". it makes me chuckle that al haines made a post here that he would've "kicked back" the e-text i submitted because he'd found 5 errors in it. i found _50_ errors in this e-text you just cleaned, al. think about it... *** my new version is greatly improved over my previous versions: > http://z-m-l.com/go/jeana/jeanap123.html > http://z-m-l.com/go/jeana/jeana.zml this version might still have some errors -- even a whole lot of 'em -- involving missing single-quotes. the o.c.r. from archive.org missed some, i know, and might have missed lots more. (i don't know if this was because the o.c.r. never saw them, or if a glitch in their workflow _lost_ them, but either way, the end-result ends up being the same.) i worked hard enough restoring the end-line-hyphens they had lost, so i decided i wouldn't even bother to check the single-quote-marks, since i can't think of a way to write a routine to automate that check... but other than that, this text is _perfect_, as far as i am concerned... so jose, have at it... you can blame me for any errors that you locate. *** next, to finish up, some philosophical ramblings on the various and sundry attitudes on errors that once left a bloody battlefield here... -bowerbird ************** New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! 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URL: From Bowerbird at aol.com Mon Oct 6 14:01:14 2008 From: Bowerbird at aol.com (Bowerbird at aol.com) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 17:01:14 EDT Subject: [gutvol-d] peter pan in kensington gardens -- 004 Message-ID: we're resolving two digitizations of "peter pan in kensington gardens", to see how the resultant file will compare with jose's text, our criterion. this _comparison_methodology_ is far more efficient than the "old" way of comparing every single o.c.r. word to the scan, because you typically have to examine only a very small percentage of the lines in the e-text. but we need to test it to make sure there are no problems with this tack. that's what this experiment is about... *** here's a recap of the "001" post in this series: i started with two different o.c.r. digitizations, both from archive.org; the objective was a _resolved_ text that _reconciled_ their differences. i chose to use this book solely because jose had created his own copy, and i know that he typically creates a very clean text, which meant that i could use that as the _criterion_ to compare against my resolved text. *** here's a recap of the "002" post in this series: i made a series of global changes to both of the digitizations, to fix common o.c.r. problems, including things like spacey punctuation... *** here's a recap of the "003" post in this series: there were just 206 lines that differed between the two digitizations, out of ~3000 non-blank lines, which shows how efficient this can be. > http://z-m-l.com/ppakg/ppakg-diff01.html we aren't quite done doing preliminary fixes, however, since a review of the 206 lines shows that many are due to spacey quotation-marks, which can be fixed automatically. there were other obvious problems, as well, including some lines that involved _problems_with_numbers_. (many of these spurious numbers were misrecognized quote-marks.) *** ok, so now we're back on track with new information here... *** ok, i cleaned up the _number_problems_ in both digitizations, manually. and i fixed the spacey-quotes automatically. i also made corrections to the appended constructions, which popped up in a lot of the differences. many of these were located with a simple search for 1-character words, where of course you have to skip over the following: > a > A > I > O also, as you can see, a good many of the glitches involved quote-marks... *** for anyone who has cleaned up much o.c.r. output from archive.org before, all of these changes will look fairly familiar, as they occur in the text often... and of course, knowing what glitches to look for is half of the battle, since we can apply that knowledge to books where we only have one digitization. *** oh, there was also one _name_ that showed up in the differences often: > Mahnie = Maimie > Maiinie = Maimie > Mainiie = Maimie > Mairnie = Maimie > Mamie = Maimie *** making these fixes caused the diffs between the files to drop significantly. more on that in the next post... -bowerbird p.s. there were a number of less-frequent changes made to the texts: *** no need to review these in this case: > [space][0-9][space] = [space]'[space] > Av = w > ii = n > / = _I_ > 110 = no > 011 = on > [space]<[space] = [space]'[space] > [space]f[space] = ?[space] > [space]i[space] = [space]'[space] > [space]c[space] = [space]'[space] > ?[space]' [linebreak] = ?'[linebreak] > ![space]'[space][linebreak] = !'[linebreak] > I[space]'[linebreak] > I[space]' = ?' > 1[space]1 = 'I > '[space]1 = 'I > '1 = 'I > <[space]1= ' > [linebreak]4[space]1 = [linebreak]'I > [space]4 = ' > [space]1[space]' = ?? 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URL: From jayvdb at gmail.com Tue Oct 7 20:10:36 2008 From: jayvdb at gmail.com (John Vandenberg) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 14:10:36 +1100 Subject: [gutvol-d] $1.25 million In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 1:48 PM, wrote: > the mellon foundation just gave a grant for $1.25 million > to develop the multimedia authoring-tool named "sophie". > >> >> http://www.futureofthebook.org/blog/archives/2008/10/mellon_announces_a_125_million_1.html > > so i'd say the price all my programs just went up again. :+) I do hope you are not going to send an adjustment bill to your existing customers who bought it for a PD song or two! -- John From Bowerbird at aol.com Wed Oct 8 01:14:24 2008 From: Bowerbird at aol.com (Bowerbird at aol.com) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 04:14:24 EDT Subject: [gutvol-d] $1.25 million Message-ID: john said: > I do hope you are not going to send an adjustment bill to > your existing customers who bought it for a PD song or two! nope, i'm sending you guys a promissory note, for your fair share of the proceeds from this windfall obscene subprime profitability. :+) -bowerbird ************** New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. 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URL: From Bowerbird at aol.com Wed Oct 8 11:45:38 2008 From: Bowerbird at aol.com (Bowerbird at aol.com) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 14:45:38 EDT Subject: [gutvol-d] peter pan in kensington gardens -- 007 Message-ID: concerning our research with "peter pan in kensington gardens", this is a clean-up post that deals with the matter of illustrations... *** three locations had illustrations nestled among the text on a page, so i've included the illustrations on the .html page that's generated. here are screenshots to show what they look like on my machine: > http://www.z-m-l.com/go/ppikg/ppikg--page01.jpg > http://www.z-m-l.com/go/ppikg/ppikg--page02.jpg > http://www.z-m-l.com/go/ppikg/ppikg--page14.jpg they will be fairly close to what you see when you visit the pages live: > http://www.z-m-l.com/go/ppikg/ppikgp001.html > http://www.z-m-l.com/go/ppikg/ppikgp002.html > http://www.z-m-l.com/go/ppikg/ppikgp014.html you'll notice from the layout on page #1 that i don't care if the image is placed a bit differently -- i.e., on the other side -- than the p-book. *** however, i like the experiment that i'm doing shown in this screenshot: > http://www.z-m-l.com/go/ppikg/ppikg--page14a.jpg you see that the image is slightly misplaced, which might happen with the wide variety of screen-sizes and text-sizes out in the real world... but thanks to a little javascript, the end-user can _move_the_image_. they can drag it to the correct location: > http://www.z-m-l.com/go/ppikg/ppikg--page14b.jpg or they can drag it to another incorrect location: > http://www.z-m-l.com/go/ppikg/ppikg--page14c.jpg they can even drag it off-screen (the browser window will develop scroll-bars and grow larger to accommodate where they drag it.) the point is, if the image happens to be in their way, they can move it. or if they simply want the image in another location, they can move it. indeed, you can also move the _page-scan_image_ if you want: > http://www.z-m-l.com/go/ppikg/ppikg--page14d.jpg perhaps you've never moved an image on a web-page, so try it live: > http://www.z-m-l.com/go/ppikg/moveporthous.html just click-and-hold either image, and then drag it where you want it. (and now you'll never view a web-page in quite the same way again.) *** obviously, we want to locate the images correctly in the first place, but it's a huge benefit that users know they can move the images... -bowerbird ************** New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bowerbird at aol.com Thu Oct 9 12:17:48 2008 From: Bowerbird at aol.com (Bowerbird at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 15:17:48 EDT Subject: [gutvol-d] more repostings Message-ID: posted digest said: >?? 1. REPosted (#463, Crane) (Al Haines) >?? 2. REPosted (#465, White) (Al Haines) >?? 3. REPosted (#472, Chesnutt) (Al Haines) >?? 4. REPosted (#483, Tarkington) (Al Haines) >?? 5. REPosted (#484, Optic) (Al Haines) >?? 6. REPosted (#1604, Stevenson and Osbourne) (David Widger) >?? 7. REPosted (#1614, Hawthorne) (David Widger) >?? 8. REPosted (#1625, Collins) (David Widger) >?? 9. REPosted (#1626, Collins) (David Widger) >? 10. REPosted (#1634, Dixon) (David Widger) >? 11. REPosted (#1672, Plato) (David Widger) >? 12. REPosted (#1740, Bower) (David Widger) al, i guess i'll have to assume that "priorities" didn't allow the "expending of enough time, energy, and resources" to find and fix many of the errors in each of these books either? just so we understand each other... -bowerbird ************** New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gbnewby at pglaf.org Thu Oct 9 15:21:57 2008 From: gbnewby at pglaf.org (Greg Newby) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 15:21:57 -0700 Subject: [gutvol-d] more repostings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20081009222157.GA8701@mail.pglaf.org> On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 03:17:48PM -0400, Bowerbird at aol.com wrote: > posted digest said: > >?? 1. REPosted (#463, Crane) (Al Haines) > >?? 2. REPosted (#465, White) (Al Haines) > >?? 3. REPosted (#472, Chesnutt) (Al Haines) > >?? 4. REPosted (#483, Tarkington) (Al Haines) > >?? 5. REPosted (#484, Optic) (Al Haines) > >?? 6. REPosted (#1604, Stevenson and Osbourne) (David Widger) > >?? 7. REPosted (#1614, Hawthorne) (David Widger) > >?? 8. REPosted (#1625, Collins) (David Widger) > >?? 9. REPosted (#1626, Collins) (David Widger) > >? 10. REPosted (#1634, Dixon) (David Widger) > >? 11. REPosted (#1672, Plato) (David Widger) > >? 12. REPosted (#1740, Bower) (David Widger) > > al, i guess i'll have to assume that "priorities" > didn't allow the "expending of enough time, > energy, and resources" to find and fix many > of the errors in each of these books either? What in the world are you talking about? If you find errors in the above files, you know how to report them. Sending to gutvol-d is *not* the way. -- Greg > just so we understand each other... > > -bowerbird > > > > ************** > New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. > Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out > (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) > _______________________________________________ > gutvol-d mailing list > gutvol-d at lists.pglaf.org > http://lists.pglaf.org/listinfo.cgi/gutvol-d From ajhaines at shaw.ca Thu Oct 9 15:29:03 2008 From: ajhaines at shaw.ca (Al Haines (shaw)) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 15:29:03 -0700 Subject: [gutvol-d] more repostings References: Message-ID: <000d01c92a5e$6f1613a0$6401a8c0@ahainesp2400> Are the reposted books better now than before, i.e. they have fewer errors, are better formatted, and possibly have an HTML version? Yes. Are they as good as they could be if they were more fully worked over? No. In many of these older submissions, "diminishing returns" kicks in with a vengeance. Is it better to spend hours patching up an old submission, or is it better to use that time to re-do the book from scratch? (Or in my case, to produce new books.) In the cases of books that have only ASCII characters instead of the original Latin1 or Unicode characters, or books that lack the illustrations of the original, or those with other issues difficult to patch (e.g. books with indexes, but no page numbers), my vote is for a re-do. (But don't look to me for these re-do's--I've got too much of a backlog of books that aren't in PG (or in IA or Google, for that matter). In fact, if someone out there is looking for projects, they can't do better than go through PG's oldest texts (those with etext numbers under 1000), see if there's a version in Internet Archive or Google, and use that version to create a brand-new etext to current PG standards. I believe that it's PG's general policy that such new versions would not replace the old version, but would be a new addition to PG, however, I leave the definitive answer on that to Greg or Michael. Al ----- Original Message ----- From: Bowerbird at aol.com To: gutvol-d at lists.pglaf.org ; Bowerbird at aol.com Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 12:17 PM Subject: [gutvol-d] more repostings posted digest said: > 1. REPosted (#463, Crane) (Al Haines) > 2. REPosted (#465, White) (Al Haines) > 3. REPosted (#472, Chesnutt) (Al Haines) > 4. REPosted (#483, Tarkington) (Al Haines) > 5. REPosted (#484, Optic) (Al Haines) > 6. REPosted (#1604, Stevenson and Osbourne) (David Widger) > 7. REPosted (#1614, Hawthorne) (David Widger) > 8. REPosted (#1625, Collins) (David Widger) > 9. REPosted (#1626, Collins) (David Widger) > 10. REPosted (#1634, Dixon) (David Widger) > 11. REPosted (#1672, Plato) (David Widger) > 12. REPosted (#1740, Bower) (David Widger) al, i guess i'll have to assume that "priorities" didn't allow the "expending of enough time, energy, and resources" to find and fix many of the errors in each of these books either? just so we understand each other... -bowerbird ************** New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ gutvol-d mailing list gutvol-d at lists.pglaf.org http://lists.pglaf.org/listinfo.cgi/gutvol-d -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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No. i agree with that too. and i'm showing how to make those books better. > In many of these older submissions, > "diminishing returns" kicks in with a vengeance. i understand that very well too. > Is it better to spend hours patching up an > old submission, or is it better to use that time > to re-do the book from scratch? nobody has suggested a "re-do" of any book "from scratch". for those who haven't been reading all of my posts, i advocate a _comparison_methodology_, whereby an e-text is compared to another digitization for the purpose of finding _differences_, which are then _resolved_ in order to create a _better_version_. i've spent a lot of time doing research on this methodology, and my results have shown that it's particularly effective, so i've shared that finding here, in the hope that it helps people. you can argue with me about this if you want, but in so doing, it just demonstrates that you have missed the point... badly... > (Or in my case, to produce new books.) that's another question entirely. but -- just to be clear -- with the big scanning projects now, it is often the case that any book one might want to digitize has been scanned, so that one can use the o.c.r. productively in my comparison methodology. indeed, one will often find that the book has been scanned _several_ times, with o.c.r., so one can proceed directly to the comparison methodology. -bowerbird ************** New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. 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URL: From Bowerbird at aol.com Tue Oct 14 13:53:45 2008 From: Bowerbird at aol.com (Bowerbird at aol.com) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 16:53:45 EDT Subject: [gutvol-d] "her prairie knight" #1908 -- 001 Message-ID: #1908 -- "her prairie knight", by b.m. bower -- has been reposted... first of all, i have listed the 10 rules that account for the 22 changes that were made in the updating of this "reposted" version of #1908. all of these are very elementary checks that i've detailed previously, like changing multiple spaces to one space, spacey punctuation, etc. this is relevant to the question of "what is being done for reposting?" since it has become obvious that reposting doesn't correct all errors, the question arises as to what checks are done during this process... other questions that come up involve the bureaucracy of reposting, such as whether whitewashers should even be doing this work, and what -- specifically -- should be executed during this particular step, and what steps need to be accomplished by the workflow after repost. more on these questions later... *** of the changes made to #1908, 22% -- 5 of 22 -- were _incorrect_... in addition, at least 7 other errors were not corrected in the reposting. all these mistakes are documented in the bottom part of this message. this means the number of errors in the reposted book is _at_least_ 12. (probably more, as i only reviewed some pages, and quite superficially.) it's probably obvious to all -- even al -- that he should not have made that statement about "kicking back" a submission containing 5 errors, since even his own work -- on "reposted" e-texts -- doesn't match up. but that's just one illustration of the _attitudes_about_errors_ that have manifested themselves on this listserve over the years. more on that topic later... now, on to a detailed look at the reposting of #1908... *** the 10 rules used to make the 22 changes in the "reposted" e-text #1908 --> change multiple spaces to one > my life. I warn you, > my life. I warn you, > in a miff. "No. Dorman is fickle, > in a miff. "No. Dorman is fickle, > he comes to think a great deal of it, > he comes to think a great deal of it, --> change space-comma to comma-space > "Why? Oh, it would get kind of monotonous ,wouldn't it?" > "Why? Oh, it would get kind of monotonous, wouldn't it?" > Who else would ,want to see > Who else would, want to see --> change bad paragraph-terminations > dead willow, > dead willow. > It started very mysteriously" > It started very mysteriously." --> evaluate period followed by lowercase word > his eyes wandered to her brows. also > his eyes wandered to her brows, also > Trix was welcome to any. thing > Trix was welcome to any thing --> check exclamation-point-comma-doublequotemark-space-lowercase > "By George!," ejaculated Sir Redmond, > "By George!" ejaculated Sir Redmond, --> close up spacey exclamation-points > wonder if you broke your kodak !" > wonder if you broke your kodak!" --> close up ". ." constructions > when he is lost. . . . And this > when he is lost.... And this --> check balancing of single-quote-marks > 'Toss in the oven to bake!" And now--" > 'Toss in the oven to bake!' And now--" --> check balancing of double-quote-marks > Oh, come, now!" protested Sir > "Oh, come, now!" protested Sir > afraid to come down. > afraid to come down." --> evaluate spacey-quotes > my lady's fine handkerchiefs and gloves " Martha stopped > my lady's fine handkerchiefs and gloves--" Martha stopped > "But the snakes " > "But the snakes--" > "At heart, you're a bold highwayman " > "At heart, you're a bold highwayman." --> evaluate spacey-quotes --> note: except mistakes were made on these 4 cases... > standing at the gate " > standing at the gate." --> note: period should be em-dash > http://z-m-l.com/go/pkbmb/pkbmbp065.jpg > It has been more than three hours " > It has been more than three hours." --> note: period should be em-dash > http://z-m-l.com/go/pkbmb/pkbmbp068.jpg > and I'll promise for Mr. Cameron " > and I'll promise for Mr. Cameron." --> note: period should be em-dash > http://z-m-l.com/go/pkbmb/pkbmbp163.jpg > I never can resist the temptation to measure lances " > I never can resist the temptation to measure lances." --> note: period should be em-dash > http://z-m-l.com/go/pkbmb/pkbmbp181.jpg --> 1 case where an end-line-hyphenate _correction_ was improperly split into two words: > Trix was welcome to any. thing > Trix was welcome to any thing --> note: "anything" should be one word > http://z-m-l.com/go/pkbmb/pkbmbp181.jpg in addition, at least 7 other errors were missed: --> 3 cases where an end-line-hyphenate was improperly split into two words: > "Comfortable!" sniffed her mother. "I am half dead. Richard wrote such > "Comfortable!" sniffed her mother. "I am half-dead. Richard wrote such > http://z-m-l.com/go/pkbmb/pkbmbp022.jpg > and half strangled her. Her skirts, in passing, swept the black ashes > and half-strangled her. Her skirts, in passing, swept the black ashes > http://z-m-l.com/go/pkbmb/pkbmbp131.jpg > "You don't have to," he retorted. "It is a self evident fact. Who wants > "You don't have to," he retorted. "It is a self-evident fact. Who wants > http://z-m-l.com/go/pkbmb/pkbmbp155.jpg --> 1 case where the space after an em-dash was incorrectly lost: > for the last time. After that--But I won't think--I daren't think what > for the last time. After that-- But I won't think--I daren't think what > http://z-m-l.com/go/pkbmb/pkbmbp150.jpg --> 2 cases where an em-dash was lost > Beatrice lose her horse. Lord! a pretty figure he must cut in her eyes! > Beatrice lose her horse-- Lord! a pretty figure he must cut in her eyes! > http://z-m-l.com/go/pkbmb/pkbmbp166.jpg > it means to--to love. I--I am going to stay here. A new company--is > it means to--to love. I--I am going to stay here. A new--company--is > http://z-m-l.com/go/pkbmb/pkbmbp187.jpg --> the chapter 12 header was spaced inconsistently from the other chapter headers. -bowerbird ************** New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Simpson) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 16:04:44 -0500 Subject: [gutvol-d] the recent e-text about project gutenberg itself In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 3:35 PM, wrote: > i spotted a few errors in #27045: Did you send a report to errata at pglaf.org? From Bowerbird at aol.com Mon Oct 27 00:35:17 2008 From: Bowerbird at aol.com (Bowerbird at aol.com) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 03:35:17 EDT Subject: [gutvol-d] Fwd: the recent e-text about project gutenberg itself Message-ID: vlsimpson said: > Did you send a report to errata at pglaf.org? are you trying to make a point? :+) -bowerbird In a message dated 10/26/08 2:04:51 PM, vlsimpson at gmail.com writes: > On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 3:35 PM,? wrote: > > i spotted a few errors in #27045: > > Did you send a report to errata at pglaf.org? > _______________________________________________ > gutvol-d mailing list > gutvol-d at lists.pglaf.org > http://lists.pglaf.org/listinfo.cgi/gutvol-d > > In a message dated 10/26/08 4:33:50 PM, hart at pglaf.org writes: > > A few early error corrections to make. > > Marie, we should be able to fix our copies. > > > Thanks to all!!! > > > Michael > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 16:35:23 EDT > From: Bowerbird at aol.com > Reply-To: Project Gutenberg Volunteer Discussion > To: gutvol-d at lists.pglaf.org, Bowerbird at aol.com > Subject: [gutvol-d] the recent e-text about project gutenberg itself > > i spotted a few errors in #27045: > > >? ? 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(it's also worth noting that -- on another name -- spelled correctly, a proofer made a note saying there was a possible misspelling of it.) the best news is that p3 did catch 1 error in the original p-book. since this was a stealth scanno -- "shown" for "shone" -- my tools had not picked up on that error, so kudos to that sharp-eyed p3. (although it's possible they'd spotted it, as it "matched the scan", p1 and p2 probably missed this error, as they hadn't left a note.) all in all, though, it's very tough to justify a full round of proofing -- 12-18 hours for this 368-pager -- when it only finds 1 error... seriously, if a whitewasher can say "it's not worth my time to attempt to find those last 20 errors in a text", then how can we pretend that it's worth the time of the proofers to spend 15 hours to find 1 error? *** in summary, my preprocessing of that book looks better and better... -bowerbird ************** Play online games for FREE at Games.com! 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From Bowerbird at aol.com Tue Oct 28 13:57:12 2008 From: Bowerbird at aol.com (Bowerbird at aol.com) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 16:57:12 EDT Subject: [gutvol-d] Google settles lawsuits over book search Message-ID: thanks for sharing that news, ian... the google blog says this: > If a reader in the U.S. finds an in-copyright book > through Google Book Search, he or she will be > able to pay to see the entire book online. in general, that's a positive development. but... it will be _very_ interesting to see exactly how much google and those authors/publishers have decided that us "readers" will have to _pay_ to see each book. somehow i don't think we should have been left out of that part of the negotiations... so i'll be curious... -bowerbird ************** Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics ? check it out! 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Michael On Tue, 28 Oct 2008, Bowerbird at aol.com wrote: > thanks for sharing that news, ian... > > the google blog says this: >> If a reader in the U.S. finds an in-copyright book >> through Google Book Search, he or she will be >> able to pay to see the entire book online. > > in general, that's a positive development. but... > > it will be _very_ interesting to see exactly how much > google and those authors/publishers have decided > that us "readers" will have to _pay_ to see each book. > > somehow i don't think we should have been left out > of that part of the negotiations... so i'll be curious... > > -bowerbird > > > > ************** > Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, > no registration required and great graphics ?? check it out! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir= > http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame00000001) > From hart at pglaf.org Thu Oct 30 09:10:16 2008 From: hart at pglaf.org (Michael Hart) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:10:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [gutvol-d] the recent e-text about project gutenberg itself (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Oct 2008, Bowerbird at aol.com wrote: > google says "killer app" gets 1,420,000 hits, while "killer ap" > has 30,700. > > that works out to 98% versus 2%, so i know which version i would > choose. If you do an "OR" on the four major spellings for ebooks, you get: Results 1 - 10 of about 187,000,000 for "ebook" OR "ebooks" OR "e-books" OR "e-book". (0.23 seconds) Which works out more like 99% to 1% when compared to the total of the two killer applications, so I say eBooks ARE the true "killer application" OR "killer ap" OR "killer app" Which yields the following: Results 1 - 10 of about 1,650,000 for "killer application" OR "killer ap" OR "killer app". (0.22 seconds) mh